Ross McGill
Your W-8 Questions Answered
In our last blog about W-8 forms, we talked a bit about what they are and what they’re used for. We got a lot of questions about W-8 forms off the back of that post, so today I thought it would be a good idea to gather some of them together and answer them. I promise I’ll do my best to not answer each one with ‘it depends’!
If you need an update on the basics of a W-8, click here to read the last article. Otherwise, let’s get into it.
Who Needs to Complete W-8 Forms?
Any non-US investor trying to open an account with a broker or a custodian bank will almost certainly be asked to provide a W-8 (or a W-9 if they’re American). The institution will ask you to fill one in or collect the information they need from their website (called a substitute W-8).
Which Countries Have Double Tax Treaties with The US?
This is a tricky one because double-tax treaties are changing all the time. However, I can tell you that at the time of writing, there are approximately 65 countries that have a tax treaty with the US. Get ready for a long list, because that includes:
- Armenia
- Australia
- Austria
- Azerbaijan
- Bangladesh
- Barbados
- Belarus
- Bulgaria
- Canada
- Chile
- China
- Cyprus
- Czech Republic
- Denmark
- Egypt
- Estonia
- Finland
- France
- Georgia
- Germany
- Greece
- Iceland
- India
- Indonesia
- Ireland
- Israel
- Italy
- Jamaica
- Japan
- Kazakhstan
- Korea
- Kyrgyzstan
- Latvia
- Lithuania
- Luxembourg
- Malta
- Mexico
- Moldova
- Morocco
- Netherlands
- New Zealand
- Norway
- Pakistan
- Philippines
- Poland
- Portugal
- Romania
- Russia
- Slovak Republic
- Slovenia
- South Africa
- Spain
- Sri Lanka
- Sweden
- Switzerland
- Tajikistan
- Thailand
- Trinidad
- Tunisia
- Turkey
- Turkmenistan
- Ukraine
- Venezuela
- United Kingdom
- Uzbekistan
When And Where to Submit Your W-8
No one submits their W-8 or W-8BENEs directly to the IRS. Instead, you send them back to the institution that requested it. They will then be used by the institution to decide whether to let you open an account, how to treat and tax US investment income paid to your account and whether your account is reportable under US anti-tax evasion regulations.
What’s The Difference Between W-8 And W-9 Forms?
Just to add in another issue, there’s also a W-9 form. Thankfully, it’s easy to differentiate the two.
W-8 forms are for non-residents of the US only. That includes international students, who will need to file a W-8BEN where necessary.
W-9 forms are for citizens and residents of the US. So if you’re a US resident for tax purposes, then you’ll need to provide a W-9.
How Long is a W-8BEN Valid For?
It does depend (sorry).
Provided none of the details on the form change, your W-8BEN will be valid for three calendar years from the end of the year in which you sign it. So, if you completed the form on the 28th of March 2024, it will be valid until the 31st of December 2027.
There is another quirk of the system, but it shouldn’t affect you. Your financial institution is collecting these W-8s to document your tax status under two different “chapters” of the US Internal Revenue Code – Chapter 3 and Chapter 4. The quirk is that if your financial institution is only collecting the W-8 solely to document your Chapter 4 status, then the form is valid indefinitely or until you have a change in circumstances. The three-year validity rule only applies if you’re expecting to receive US investment income into your account, so the financial institution needs to know your Chapter 3 status too.
What’s The Difference Between a W-8BEN and a W-8BENE?
There are a few differences between the W-8BEN and the W-8BENE. The main one is that the W-8BENE is the form for ‘entities’, meaning any type of business or other type of institution that has more than one owner. That could be a corporation, certain types of partnership or trust, exempt entity, public and private foundations, international organisations and even foreign governments.
The default US tax rate for income received by foreign businesses is 30%, but this form will allow the business to receive a tax treaty reduction if it’s applicable and if it’s properly claimed on the form. In particular, the entity has to make a certification on the form to show that it meets what is called the limitation on benefits test.
The W-8BEN on the other hand, applies to income paid to individuals. So while the outcome is similar, the forms are aimed at different categories of people and types of account holders.
We went over these differences in more detail here.
What Happens If I Fill in the Form Incorrectly?
There are estimated to be around 900 million W-8s in circulation and about 30% are completed incorrectly in Europe. That failure rate rises to about 70% in Asia. That’s because it’s an American tax form, it’s not simple and it’s not written in plain English. Differences in language, culture and levels of understanding can affect whether you understand what you’re signing.
The big thing to recognise is that the form is signed under penalty of perjury. This means that if you fill the form in incorrectly, whether that’s deliberate or accidental, and your financial institution taxes your US income at the wrong rate, you’re the one on the hook for liability, not them.
In the end, most financial institutions are very conservative. If there is any doubt, they will tax at the maximum rate of 30%. That means that you may be over-taxed through no fault of your own. In such cases, if your financial institution is a qualified intermediary (QI), then you can ask them for a refund because their contractual agreement with the IRS obligates them to do so. If they are not a QI, then you can, in theory, file a claim directly to the IRS for a refund. The process is not simple or quick and you’ll need to ask your financial institution for a form 1042-S to prove that they over-taxed you. Then, if you’re an individual, you can file a claim on a form 1040-NR together with your 1042-S (and other supporting evidence). If you’re filing a reclaim request for an entity that was over-taxed, the form will be an 1120-F.
Who Can Help Me?
Us! At TConsult we have over 20 years’ experience in the financial services industry, particularly dealing with US withholding tax and all that comes with it. Our subject matter experts have detailed knowledge of the governments and financial institutions in over twenty-seven countries, making us perfectly placed to handle your W-8 questions and support you through the process.
We created an online platform for W-8 forms to be used by financial institutions. So, if you work for a financial institution that provides access to the US securities markets, you should get a demonstration of our Investor Self-Declaration (ISD) system. This collects all the required information for a substitute of all the W-8 forms or W-9 and makes sure that you don’t make any mistakes.
If you would like to know more, or if you’re a financial institution struggling with compliance, or you have questions about a W-8, W-8BEN or W-8BENE, just get in touch with one of our experts today.
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台灣的合格中介機構(QI)定審與認證必需注意的事項
August 10, 2022為了與國際金融機構接軌,越來越多的台灣金融機構,尤其是證券商,在2018年及2019年間向美國國稅局(IRS)申請QI資格。重要的是要記住,一旦成為QI並享有QI的好處,就必須履行QI義務。 QI合約規定,必須每三年向IRS認證您的合規性。要做到這點,首先您必須做一次定審。如果您在2018年成為QI,您必須在2022年完成一次定審,如此才能在2022年12月31日前完成IRS認證。如果您在2019年成為QI,則必須在2013年7月前完成一次定審。 定審代表您必須指派一位獨立且有能力的顧問,檢查您履行所有QI義務。規則非常複雜,且您不能用既有的顧問來做定審。 定審必須是獨立的 QI合約規定,查核人員必須具有充分獨立性來進行審查,且不能由「同一顧問公司」的任何人員來審查。因此,QI定審與認證其中一個原則是,RO必需知道查核人員是「獨立的」。如果他們之前已經有請顧問協助任何QI相關事務,例如:QI申請與合規計畫建立,IRS說他們的顧問「不是」獨立的。如此一來QI不能使用他們原本的顧問做為查核人員。這代表RO必需找一位獨立的人檢查QI是否徹底遵循他們的義務。 查核人員必須是有能力的 查核人員必須測試QI的帳戶,以確保他們正確地記錄客戶,而且文件是有效的、正確地預扣稅款,並對FATCA與QI正確地申報。對大多數金融機構而言,由他們內部稽核人員進行定審並不容易,因為他們對美國預扣稅合規的知識不足也不夠有經驗。所以,大多數QI仰賴外部稽核或第三方顧問。然而,台灣大部份的金融機構也使用第三方顧問來協助他們日常的QI合規工作,這意味著他們的顧問公司不能擔任定審的查核人員,因為他們不具獨立性。 尋找獨立的專家 不要認為定審和認證是簡單的例行公事。如果QI準備不充分或查核不準確,QI可能會受到IRS裁罰。TConsult Ltd被19個國家的客戶,包含台灣與亞洲的許多金融機構聘用為稅務專家,最重要的是我們具有獨立性。如果您想了解與規劃如何進行QI定審與認證,請與我們聯繫([email protected])。Read more
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Ross is the founder and chairman of TConsult. He has spent over 26 years working in the withholding tax landscape with companies developing tax reclaim software and operating outsource tax reclamation services.
Ross not only sees the big picture but is also incredibly detail oriented. He can make even the most complex issues simple to understand. He has authored 10 books (including two second editions) on various aspects of tax, technology, and regulation in financial services, making him one of the leading authorities in the world of tax.